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So, I saw it. And I liked it. But I finally realize what felt so funky about it.
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I liked it a lot. A few non-spoiler notes:
1. Michael Caine was incredible, and Freeman and Oldman were their usual outstanding selves. 2. I preferred the voice Bane had in the trailers, this one sounded like an English aristocrat. Took away some of the intimidation factor. 3. All of the new actors did at least a solid, and in the case of Levitt, an outstanding job. 4. I really liked the ending.  Mating with duck is like vomiting into a very small bucket. |
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An answer to your spoiler SPOILER SPOILER I think the ending is what really made the movie. There were some plot holes I didn't like but that end made it all good. SPOILER  "Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money." ~ Cree Indian Proverb |
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One thing I loved:
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Elenwen, I know and understand that history, but it does not answer my question. SPOILER I`m going again on Wednesday to watch it again. 
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Wizz,
SPOILER "Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money." ~ Cree Indian Proverb |
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Saw it, loved it. Oh yeah, and I don't mean to brag, but my theory ever since JGL was confirmed as part of the cast was SPOILER
Bane was just great. I didn't mind his voice, but I found it very odd for several reasons. First, wasn't Bane hispanic in the comics? That's what I always thought, especially because of his original mask he wore. Second, he was in that prison (it was in Asia somewhere, right? Or the middle-east??) and the accent just didn't seem to fit one bit. Now concerning Bane's past: SPOILER I will admit that even though the final battle was good, it seemed pretty unrealistic (well for this movie I mean) SPOILER Oh yes and SPOILER
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I loved the
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Bane was just great. I didn't mind his voice, but I found it very odd for several reasons. First, wasn't Bane hispanic in the comics? That's what I always thought, especially because of his original mask he wore. Second, he was in that prison (it was in Asia somewhere, right? Or the middle-east??) and the accent just didn't seem to fit one bit. Yes he was. Also the location where the Prison was filmed was India, I figured it was the same in the movie and it explains the accent to a degree. I thought the movie was fantastic and ranks up there close to the first as my favorite of the three. -J-
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Saw it. While I enjoyed aspects and moments of the film, the entire thing felt "off" to me. The pacing was wrong in many places -- especially at the beginning -- and the reasons why Batman leaves Gotham for eight years just weren't believable to me -- knowing the character that we have seen so far.
The last 40 minutes or so made the movie though, especially the last five minutes. Although not as tightly written as the previous two movies, it is a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy. I'm just sad we won't be seeing more from these creative people.
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I'm going to see it tonight. Excited. Will post thoughts when I return. I've managed to avoid reading reviews/spoilers/etc.
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Saw it. Loved it. Was a bit slow at times, but was also more of a psychological film, more so than any of the other two. I want to see it again.
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The more I think on this movie, the more I have to agree with Wizz and Webby...it was the weakest of the three, and was filled with plotholes, bad editing, etc.
I'll let /Film speak for me... http://www.slashfilm.com/15-bothered-the-dark-knight-rises/
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That's a great summary of the issues I had with the film. I still enjoyed it. That ending made all those inconsistencies worth it.
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Having managed to hold off until the IMAX was free enough for me to get decent seats, my thoughts:
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I find it shocking you guys prefer the 1st film to this one. The 1st film had major pace issues. In general it was much slower, had too much narrative, and just as many, if not more, plot holes. Further, it didn't carry the same kind of ethical message as the last 2 films.
I thought the 1st one was more like the typical average kind of superhero movie and these last 2 films (the 2nd one especially) went above and beyond in the superhero genre. "Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money." ~ Cree Indian Proverb |
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I thought the first had the best pacing; the second film was good (I'm in a small minority that thinks the first two were equally good) but struggled at the end slightly because of two competing climatic moments; and the third's was fine but not as neat as either of the first two.
I used to think The Dark Knight the better of the first two but, then, after re-watching the first two a few times long after the hype had passed surround the second (bolstered by Ledger's performance/death) I find it really tough to pick between the two. Bizarrely, and just a random quick aside, I've felt Ebert and I moving apart in the last couple of years but we almost match on our Batman thoughts: Ebert: 4/4 Batman Begins; 4/4 Dark Knight; 3/4 Dark Knight Rises. Me: 4/4 Batman Begins; 4/4 Dark Knight; 3.5/4 Dark Knight Rises. I don't really feel the ethical implications of the last two films were very strong (thankfully for me, strong ethical undertones / overtones can ruin things for me); for me, all three concerned psychology, social condition, and principles-- the latter of which can be decidedly ethical or not. I feel Bruce's motives throughout the films carried less the tone of 'the greater good', or even 'good vs evil', and more to do with burden, responsibility, and repentance. If anything, I would have thought Ra's al Ghul presented the most ethically charged antagonist-- motivated by a powerful political and ethical belief in his actions. Both the Joker and Bane were tortured individuals lashing out at society and, I feel, at least, both invoked strong sympathy where Ra's did not. Anyway, just my two cents and, in any case, it was an epic trilogy.
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I'm with Ebert completely.
Batman Begins to me a flawless movie. There is not a thing out of place and the pacing is perfect. The dialog is sharp and the acting superb. It is easily the best Origin superhero movie. The Dark Knight was utterly fantastic up until the last 15 minutes when Harvey Dent is revealed to be the Joker's "ace in the hole." Those last 15 minutes were anti-climatic and prevented that movie from being one of the best of all time, in my opinion. That shortcoming though is evened out by Heath Leger's performance and the Joker's machinations. So still a 4/4 stars but it should have been 5/4 stars. 
Rises is an odd beast. Piss poor pacing, especially in the first hour. SPOILER It's a 3/4 movie but should have been so much more.
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Batman Begins to me a flawless movie.
Spoilers below if you haven't seen the 1st film: Really? How about the fact that the microwave emitter didn't cause people to explode considering we're made up of 65-70% water. That alone regardless of the toxin added into the water should have killed Gotham inhabitants. Also, if the toxin was added into the water sometime before, how is it that no one was infected prior, considering we can assume people were showering/cooking with the water? That's a big one but there were many more things that didn't make sense in this film. To each their own. I rewatched the 1st one very recently and just don't see it. "Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money." ~ Cree Indian Proverb |
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Also, if the toxin was added into the water sometime before, how is it that no one was infected prior, considering we can assume people were showering/cooking with the water? That's a big one but there were many more things that didn't make sense in this film.
Regarding this one, at least, I'm pretty sure it was covered with Dr. Crane saying it had to be inhaled and was useless until inhaled? Pretty sure that one was covered a couple of times; haven't seen it in a few months, though. I seem to recall Dr. Crane telling Batman when Batman exposes him to his own toxin in that warehouse place where the former's cronies are dumping the toxin into the city's water supply. Regarding the former point, no idea. I'm no scientist but, I think if you put too much thought into it, it would ruin all three films. This explanation floating about on-line would satisfy a simple layman such as myself: "There are two possibilities: (1) It's stated in the film that the device uses "focused microwaves" to vaporize an enemy's "water supply." No additional information is given, but apparently the device has a sensing/targeting system of some kind, or was aimed at the underground pipes by its users. If the latter is the case, it might well have killed anyone below the train as it moved across town, though this is never shown. (2) Water inside the human body is not simply liquid stored in a continuous pool; it is compartmentalized and contains a plethora of organic substances, such as large molecules, complex proteins and even entire cells (red blood cells, immune cells, etc.). Perhaps these, as well as cell membranes/organs protect the water in the body from evaporating by absorbing the microwaves, or in some way increasing the bonds between the water molecules strong enough to prevent them from evaporating. In any case, the device would then only affect pools of water with relatively low osmotic pressure, such as water supplies and sewers."
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Regarding this one, at least, I'm pretty sure it was covered with Dr. Crane saying it had to be inhaled and was useless until inhaled? Pretty sure that one was covered a couple of times; haven't seen it in a few months, though. I seem to recall Dr. Crane telling Batman when Batman exposes him to his own toxin in that warehouse place where the former's cronies are dumping the toxin into the city's water supply. Which is why if someone is cooking with the water they are creating steam and the people are now able to inhale it. In the case with compartmentalization you can think of the pipes as red blood cells carrying the water. And unless their water is hella good, you can think of all the bacteria, chlorine, flourine and whatnot in there as the immune agents. You're right, though. The science in all the movies was flawed. For example, the science of Bruce Wayne's crippled leg. The fact that he has no cartilage and is able to move without screaming from pain. "Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money." ~ Cree Indian Proverb |
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